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PostSubject: Dark Forest Rising Event Discussion   Sat Oct 28, 2017 11:17 am

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Hi everyone! Atrel and DF Vampire made the good suggestion of starting a discussion thread so that we can all keep track of what we know about the event so far. Post your theories, thoughts, discussions, ideas - everything, and I'll keep track of it. Hopefully we'll find out who these strangers are!
I have also been informed that they may drop hints while casually chatting in the chatbox! So if you seem them lurking around, make sure to log in and chat to find out as much as we can. Now, the Dark Forest wolves cannot see this post, so feel free to gossip or speculate as much as you like!
If they do drop a hint in the chatbox, make sure to grab a screenie (or even a copy pasta!) and link it here so we can keep track! We want to make sure we can get every bit of information we can to reveal the wolves.

Our clues so far:
Riddle Clues:
 

Shadow/Mismatched Eyes Clues:
 

Finding the Names:
 

Since the aim of this event is to reveal the Dark Forest Wolves, and free the dead wolves that are stuck in the Dark Forest, here's a handy table to all the clues we have about each one.
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???

  1. Has mismatched eyes
  2. Refuses to be separated from her sister
  3. Youngest wolf in the forest (with her sister)
  4. Younger twin
  5. Killian is the twins' old teacher
  6. Appear to be Killian's offspring


  1. This post
  2. This post
  3. This post
  4. This post
  5. This post and this post
  6. Chat logs shown in this post


  1. Dark Forest Agent KNOWN
  2. Will drop hints to wolves in RP and users in the CB
  3. Black with dark wing-shaped patterns
  4. Has a lost lover - perhaps will pop up again in RP?
  5. Quite a mischief maker
  6. A part of Starclan once??
  7. Nickname is Trelly


  1. This post
  2. This post
  3. This post and this post
  4. This post and this post. Confirmed in this post and this post
  5. This post
  6. This post. Confirmed in this post
  7. This post

Unfortunately withdrew from event due to time constraints

  1. Kills leaders easily
  2. Seems to enjoy drawing out death


  1. This post
  2. This post

Eclipsestar
Bio here

  1. Dark Forest Warlord KNOWN
  2. Pure white with red blood stains
  3. Sadistic


  1. This post and this post
  2. This post and this post
  3. This post

???

  1. Seems to live up to his name of being a hired cutthroat
  2. Doesn't care about clan wolves - perhaps a housedog or stray instead?
  3. Old enough that he has no tie to the modern clans?


  1. This post
  2. This post
  3. Mentions that "the old territories were better" in this post

???

  1. Very obedient
  2. Possibly belongs to Puppet Master??
  3. Appears quite young, perhaps pup or apprentice aged
  4. More likely to be a house dog/stray
  5. Confirmed to have had a past life (just doesn't remember it)
  6. Has no verbal filter - perhaps if we get him to talk, we'll be able to learn something?


  1. This post
  2. This post and This post
  3. This post EDIT: confirmed in chat logs shown in this post
  4. This post mentions going to explore the town
  5. Chat logs shown in this post
  6. Chat logs shown in this post

???

  1. Manipulative
  2. Seems to know Killian??
  3. Possibly owns/controls Pet??


  1. This post and this post
  2. This post
  3. This post and This post

???

  1. Appears to kill similar to those old stories of sirens - luring people to drown with their songs


  1. Mentioned in chat, relayed in this post

Unfortunately withdrew from event due to time constraints

  1. Appears to enjoy watching everything


  1. This post

???

  1. Seems to enjoy stealing lives
  2. Has mismatched eyes - the same as Killian (so right eye is storm grey, left eye is sea green)
  3. Twin of Assassin
  4. Refuses to be separated from her twin again
  5. Youngest wolf in the DF (with her twin)
  6. Older twin
  7. Killian is the twins' old teacher
  8. Appear to be Killian's offspring


  1. This post and this post
  2. This post, this post and Killian's bio
  3. This post
  4. This post
  5. This post
  6. This post
  7. This post and this post
  8. Chat logs shown in this post

Lusterpelt
Bio here

  1. Cannibal
  2. Pure white with single red dot on forehead
  3. Sexist
  4. Maybe victim to Eclipsestar??


  1. This post
  2. This post
  3. This post
  4. This post mentions him leaving a female for dead with a single drop of blood on her forehead (like her marking) and this post mentions her suffering at the paws of a single male enough that she went mad

???

  1. Appears quite determined to change the med wolf code to allow gay lovers
  2. Only goal is to change a part of the med wolf code
  3. Atrel is his lover
  4. Nickname (or actual name?) is Fox


  1. Mentioned twice in this post
  2. This post
  3. This post and this post
  4. This post



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PostSubject: Re: Dark Forest Rising Event Discussion   Sat Nov 18, 2017 5:32 pm

I had just recently been looking over Deathbringer's posts, and some lines make me think she possibly could have been a medicine wolf at some point in her life.
@Dark Forest Deathbringer wrote:
She had grown to love the feeling she got as she watched weak wolves die under her care when she was alive and had found ways to make it more painful for them. Though this fenale was a double threat for she had more than one skill under her belt having made a name for herself on the battle field before changing course with the death of her only family she had cared for. The wolves responsible had suffered greatly for their parts in that plan.
Perhaps, as a medicine wolf, she allowed wolves to die and suffer instead of healing them?

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PostSubject: Re: Dark Forest Rising Event Discussion   Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:41 am

Hi guys! Unfortunately, due to some massive life things happening in their part of the world, DF Deathbringer, and DF Spy can no longer participate in our event :c They're super sorry, but they just can't give the activity that they'd want to, so they're bowing out.

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PostSubject: Re: Dark Forest Rising Event Discussion   Thu Nov 23, 2017 4:01 am

Shame that Deathbringer and Spy had to pull out

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PostSubject: Re: Dark Forest Rising Event Discussion   Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:08 am

The mercenary seems uninterested in the clan wolves suggesting he might have more loner or two-leg ties.
"The Old Territory was Better" suggests he's back from the old territories? Like, the original ones.

Hes so long dead he has no ties to the modern clans

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[01:04:05] Dark Forest Wiseass joined the chat on Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:04 am
[01:04:22] Dark Forest Wiseass : hmmm
[01:04:30] Dark Forest Wiseass : yes i suppose that colour would do
[01:05:11] Dark Forest Wiseass : i wonder what they've managed to figure out from my little riddle ehehe
[01:06:19] Riverstar joined the chat on Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:06 am
[01:06:27] @ Riverstar : Hiiii wiseass!
[01:06:30] Dark Forest Wiseass : hello there
[01:06:36] @ Riverstar : how's it been?
[01:06:38] Shadowpaw joined the chat on Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:06 am
[01:06:41] Lightheart joined the chat on Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:06 am
[01:06:44] @ Shadowpaw : hey half away posting lmao
[01:06:49] Lightheart : Why hello there Wiseass
[01:06:52] Dark Forest Wiseass : wow three at once
[01:06:56] Dark Forest Wiseass : I'm a lucky duck
[01:07:01] @ Riverstar : quack quack
[01:07:05] Lightheart : I always wondered, what do Wiseasses like to eat?
[01:07:11] Dark Forest Wiseass : Hello Lightheart i don't believe i've had the pleasure of meeting your aquaintence
[01:07:17] @ Riverstar : okay my mind lives in the gutter
[01:07:21] Dark Forest Wiseass : Chimichangas
[01:07:33] Lightheart : I'm a bit new, not new enough to know you're causing a bit of trouble though?
[01:07:36] @ Riverstar : that's a lot better answer that "asses"
[01:07:50] Dark Forest Wiseass : i know some people who'd be right into that
[01:07:58] Dark Forest Wiseass : Trouble is as Trouble does
[01:08:02] Lightheart : Come here often?
[01:08:13] Dark Forest Wiseass : im checking in every now and then
[01:08:36] Atrel joined the chat on Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:08 am
[01:08:44] Dark Forest Wiseass : ah you got my text darling
[01:08:46] Atrel : Hello my lovelies
[01:08:50] Atrel : I did, I did
[01:08:51] Lightheart : Two fer one I see
[01:08:57] Atrel : Oh, a new one
[01:08:59] Atrel : How sweet
[01:09:14] @ Riverstar : Ohai Atrel :O
[01:09:17] Lightheart : Not as sweet as Chimichangas
[01:09:22] Atrel : Hello River
[01:09:24] Dark Forest Wiseass : aren't we lucky
[01:09:31] @ Shadowpaw : heyhye
[01:09:33] Atrel : Wiseass, have you been teaching Lightheart already
[01:09:34] Atrel : tsk
[01:09:44] Atrel : can't keep you unsupervised for a second
[01:09:49] Atrel : Hello Shadow
[01:10:06] Atrel : So how is that riddle going, my dears?
[01:10:21] Lightheart : Only time will tell, Atrel
[01:10:30] Atrel : Aha, that it will
[01:10:31] Lightheart : Do, please, tell me a story
[01:10:33] Lightheart : I'm curious
[01:10:43] Atrel : If you have the time to figure it out
[01:10:51] Atrel : Curiosity kileld the cat, darling
[01:11:00] Dark Forest Wiseass : ah but satisfaction nbrought it back
[01:11:04] Lightheart : But for a while, I was a suspect
[01:11:17] Dark Forest Wiseass : What do you already know then
[01:11:21] Atrel : True true, dearest
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PostSubject: Re: Dark Forest Rising Event Discussion   Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:13 am

Atrel referred to Wiseass as 'Fox' and revealed him to be Atrel's missing lover at Shades Outlook

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Nuzzling into the grey and black fur, he shut his eyes, just listening to the yearned for voice. They were together again, after so, so long. He could barely believe it. "Missed you," he finally managed to get out, snuggling into the other's fur as much as he could. "Searched for you everywhere." He'd searched and searched in Starclan, never able to find him, and even when he'd rejected the stars and begun wandering between the Dark Forest and other lands, he still hadn't been able to find his love. "Don't leave me again, Fox. Not this time." He wasn't sure he could do that again, and he pushed his head under the other male's head, another few whines leaving him. Trembling from the emotion, he began grooming the soft fur, so glad to be together again. It was all alright now, they'd found each other.
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PostSubject: Re: Dark Forest Rising Event Discussion   Fri Nov 24, 2017 4:09 am

Awesome work, Diamond. They must have been sitting on those posts for ages, wow :O I found a couple of hints in the CB too, so that's been quoted in the "finding the names" spoiler box. Rest of the table is updated too! I wonder if Wiseass's name is actually Fox, or if it's a nickname though? He seems to have a knowledge of the clan warrior and med wolf codes, so I'm kinda leaning towards it being a nickname, personally.

Wiiiith Wiseass also having mismatched eyes, I'm beginning to wonder if it's something about them all having one green eye? That seems to be the recurring theme, so maybe we're focusing too much on mismatched eyes in general, and should be trying to work out the links between them with the green eye?

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PostSubject: Re: Dark Forest Rising Event Discussion   Sat Nov 25, 2017 9:27 am

Im thinking, with wiseass so determined to chagne the medicine wolf code to allow gay lovers - that he was a medicine wolf. He keeps referring to the old territories and with how Atrel was hanging around shadowclan land looking for him im beginning to think that at some stage in the clans history he was a medicine wolf of Shadowclan and perhaps broke the code to be with Atrel?

also they're fricken cuteeeee

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PostSubject: Re: Dark Forest Rising Event Discussion   Sat Nov 25, 2017 9:54 pm

@Dark Forest Wiseass wrote:
Rather disgusted at how Twistedfoot and Oceanpup had listened to his warning deciding to focus on the change to the code instead of the fact that the clan was in peril, Wiseass glanced at the large brown dog as it showed up. Glee spread onto his features, if they wanted a warning of what was to come then so be it, wrapping his jaws around the dogs tail, he dragged it back into the water using the element of surprise to overcome the blind timid mutt. Dragging it out to where the water was deepest he cackled softly into the dog ear whispering to him "They wont accept a useless mutt like you here, but i know a clan that should, find Thunderclan, they'll accept you as an elder no sweat" pushing the dog in the water in the direction of thunderclan land he himself wandered off remembering that he'd had a quick talk with Eclipsestar before they'd all left the dark forest.

shades outlook->

Dark Forest Wiseass can be seen as a manipulator or a advice-giver due to this post in RiverClan camp. In this post he is talking to Grizzly about turning his back on RiverClan and going to try and join ThunderClan instead.

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PostSubject: Re: Dark Forest Rising Event Discussion   Sun Nov 26, 2017 4:12 am

Yo! Thanks to Lilac's post, I think I have an idea of who Puppet Master might be.
@Lilacsplash wrote:
“The shadows are everywhere, but there is one in particular that strikes my mind, her fur is patched in tan, browns, blacks and whites and she has pale blue frosty eyes. She’s manipulative and cold, she watched us getting torn apart without flinching, she was of thunderclan and her name was Dapplefrost” it was so hard for her to get that simple name out, indeed her frame quivered and her tail tucked beneath her. She was terrified of Eclipsestar but Dapplefrost had been so much worse
Now, I thought a patched coat was familiar soooo-
@Dark Forest Puppet Master wrote:
A soft velvety chuckle sounded before the mist suddenly thickened and produced her form, a lithe lean female with unique patched markings all over her pelt perfect for hunting in the forest.
@Dark Forest Puppet Master wrote:
the patched female with her cold ice blue eyes turned and stalked off leaving them behind.
@Dark Forest Puppet Master wrote:
had the patched female rolling her pale blue yes.
Just have to figure this out in RP!

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PostSubject: Re: Dark Forest Rising Event Discussion   Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:18 am

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Siren's cold green eyes flicked towards the blood-covered male as he left the bushes. Part of Siren wanted to look at what remained of the she-wolf, but she knew it wouldn't be a pretty sight. Then again, she was used to seeing blood and gore. She did start out in a cruel, ruthless pack, anyways. RiverClan was quite a change for her... though it seemed like her cruelty never left her. Heartbreak had brought it out to its worst. Break the wrong heart and bad things were bound to happen. She loved seeing the reactions of wolves getting their hearts shattered into pieces, whether it was the death of loved ones, or heartbreak, or... whatever. After all, it was only fair! If all good things in Siren's life were taken away, then nobody else deserved happiness. It's why she began killing in the first place- to see misery, to achieve fairness. Her deceitful words worked like the dark song of a siren- her name fit her well.

At Eclipsestar's words, the siren nodded firmly. Oh, she'd kill whenever possible. If a wolf encountered her, all alone and foolish enough to follow her, she definitely would kill. What grief that would bring to their friends and family! It was a sweet, sweet thought. She could push them into the current of the river and drown them, like her tradition, or she could simply attack them and rip into them. Both were good options. The she-wolf proceeded to lift her head upon hearing two wolves approaching. Her eyes remained cool, yet they contained hidden hatred. Siren calmly swept her tongue across a paw, keeping her gaze on the strangers. She couldn't kill them. No, she was outnumbered. Last time the siren had been outnumbered, she met her end. Of course, now she couldn't be killed, but she could possibly be stopped.

> Siren has green eyes
> Siren was part of a ruthless pack? Not a clan?
> Met her end by being outnumbered
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PostSubject: Re: Dark Forest Rising Event Discussion   Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:25 am

For Siren
I think she joined riverclan as she says it was a change for her but she never lost her cruelty.
Also says that she had felt heartbreak so loss of a mate perhaps?

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PostSubject: Re: Dark Forest Rising Event Discussion   Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:22 pm

It was mentioned that her heart had been broken- "break the wrong heart and bad things were bound to happen". Maybe her mate did something to hurt her? Though it'd be a bad idea for a lone wolf to meet her, apparently, since she doesn't attack when others are around.
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PostSubject: Re: Dark Forest Rising Event Discussion   Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:13 am

Hey everyone! I'll update the table for siren in the morning, but it looks like theres been a massive influx of DF posts in the past couple of days in nearly all the territories. I haven't been able to sit down and scour through them for clues - after all, I'm not the only one interested in finding out the identities, right? Maybe you guys can have a good look, and see what we've missed. Let me know what you find, and I'll be sure to add it to the table!

(Remember we have prizes for participating and finding out the identities, don't let those slip out of your hands!)

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PostSubject: Re: Dark Forest Rising Event Discussion   Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:58 pm

@Dark Forest Thief wrote:
“One of us, aren’t you, small shadow,” she whispered, her soft voice lingering around the camp. Even so, she made sure to be certain that only the female in front of her, and the old greying wolf beside her, could actually hear her. “Blood calls to blood, small sister. We know you.”

That was said to Shadowpaw, whos father is the ex fighting wolf Killian, here they name her sister and have the same mismatched eyes as Killian. Killian knows them as shown from their meeting on greys beach if anyone has read that, this says to me that they're Killians offspring

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PostSubject: Re: Dark Forest Rising Event Discussion   Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:28 am

Spoiler:
 

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PostSubject: Re: Dark Forest Rising Event Discussion   Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:34 am

Thief and Atrel were somewhat helpful today in chat, from the looks of those archives that Diamond posted. I went through and cut out all the necessary bits (in my opinion)

Regarding Puppet Master and Pet:
 

The Twins' Identities:
 

I'll post it tidier in the main post. As of now, I'm not going to be combing through old archives or posts to add them to this thread. I will keep the table updated as I find things while I'm reading, but I'm sick of spoon feeding all of you to figure this out. I put on the event with Raven's help - we don't want or need the participation prizes. Start figuring it out yourselves.

Someone needs to look through the Shade's Outlook posts, the Grey's Beach posts, and the Lost Plateau/Windclan Posts.

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PostSubject: Re: Dark Forest Rising Event Discussion   Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:29 am

Reading shades outlooks most recent few that I notice don’t appear to have been combed yet

@Dark Forest Wiseass wrote:
Not stopping Trelly as he started to groom him, the marbled wolf nuzzled into the black fur before doing the same, there was a part of him that was excited, they'd be able to cause so much chaos and take revenge on these clans for what had been done to them. At home on the shadowclan land, the male was particularly fond of the marsh despite never having been on these territories when he'd been alive, grooming the pitch black fur he took comfort in the simple motion and for the first time since he'd died felt true happiness take hold of him.

Looks like Wiseass May have been shadowclan for they are know for living in the more marshy areas and he is most comfortable there. Also appears that the clans may have had something to do with his and Atrels seperation.

@Dark Forest Wiseass wrote:
He understood how he felt, he himself felt like he was finally whole again, now they were a pair again they could continue to persue his desire to change the medicine wolf code. That what had happened to them wouldn’t happen again, and since it seemed his good looking mate was of starclan it meant that he could appear and give advice to the clans and be accepted due to the stars in his fur. Nuzzling his nose into said star studded fur, he inhaled happily, lifting his head as he was nudged and the silver eyed trickster backed away to look up at him. His words and wicked glint enticed a wag of the males tail and a similar wicked glint to appear in his unmatched eyes, running his tongue over his mates head when he was nosed again “I have plans, Handsome. Let us leave this particular place, its not wise to remain in one place for very long” there would be somewhere else where they could nestle together in the sun like they had as living wolves so long ago. They’d talk about his plans and he was more than certain that his star crossed lover and sexy as all hell sweetheart would be keen on following up with what he’d started.

It appears that wiseass possibly will use Atrels place in starclan to talk with the medicine wolves in his quest to change their code. Maybe the clans forced them apart or one of them out of the clans perhaps?

Going through Raspberry Glade I’ve gotten this

@Dark Forest Wiseass wrote:
Staying quiet until they’d had some time together he yawned and began speaking about his idea “I’ve started us on the path to changing the medicine wolf code, I’ve spoken to the Riverclan medicine wolves, your star studded fur will be helpful. We warn the medicine wolves of all of the clans to change it or chaos will ensue, then we encourage Mercenary and the Twins to cause chaos to put pressure on them until they give in. You have more information than I do on the clans, so Im guessing you’ll be able to help me decide how we’ll warn each medicine wolf” falling silent he waited to hear what his lover had to say. He hadn’t felt this happy and content in decades, he’d long stopped counting the years since they’d been able to be together like this, he loved his Atrel, so much. Giving a soft content sigh, he closed his mismatched eyes and settled down awaiting his lovers reply.

Seems like Atrel might be a clan wolf or maybe he was a mediwolf? That could be why another reason why Wiseass is so convinced to change the code so they don’t have to go through the same pain they did as well as cause chaos?

@Atrel wrote:
Listening to what had been happening so far, he gave a slight nod. "One of the clan wolves escaped to the stars, Eclipsestar isn't happy, so I suggest we stay away from him for the moment. There's a small apprentice in Thunderclan, she will be easily convinced to tell her leader and their medicine wolf to change." He so hoped that they would be able to change it. Giving a soft whine, and nestled closer to the bigger wolf, comfortably tucked into his side like they adored being. "The twins are enjoying themselves, I'm sure they'll love causing chaos. Thief was mentioning that she wanted more trophies to add to her collection." Yawning, he reached over and chewed on his mate's ear cheekily, tugging on it gently. "You didn't join me in Starclan," he murmured, nuzzling into the soft fur. "Where did you go?"

Looks like raspberry glade will be a place to keep a close eye on to get more info on Wiseass.

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PostSubject: Re: Dark Forest Rising Event Discussion   Thu Nov 30, 2017 4:22 am

@medicine wolf information
I believe Wiseass was the medicine wolf as Atrel dosent have a clan name and he's already been revealed :3
Maybe you should take a look atrels bio it pretty clearly stated he wasn't

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PostSubject: Re: Dark Forest Rising Event Discussion   Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:46 am

@Dark Forest Siren wrote:

Siren's ears twitched somewhat, and she dropped the corpse of the wolfhound, swiping a pawful of sand over him in distaste. She lifted her head towards the gathered canines, and hummed softly, "Yet another victim of the very water RiverClan thrives off of. Such a pity." She knew many wolves lost their lives in the river that ran through the old RiverClan territory. She was one such fatality, long, long ago. It was a weapon when utilized right. If she pushed in the right wolves, from the heavily pregnant, to those simply too weak or injured to fight the current, and it would off them for her. It's irony was beautiful to the siren; yet karma did seem to catch up with her, as the river where she murdered, eventually became her own killer.

Siren is from the old territories and killed off the defenceless by the looks of it who couldn’t swim after she pushed them into the river

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PostSubject: Re: Dark Forest Rising Event Discussion   Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:40 pm

A short summary:
I believe Thief and Assassin are Killians pups, they're from the fighting ring and he taught them how to fight and kill, due to the fact that he knows them and they call him teacher. An idea is that Thief and Assassin is their fighting name, like how Killian is The Shadow, White demon was The white demon, and Shadowpaw was Shadow's Daughter. Therefor they can't have been dead long, which is referenced by the twins as its often mentioned that they're the youngest of the dark forest wolves,

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